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MurfsLawBlues
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November 14, 2007 04:26 PM 
Guilty.
Not downloaded, but acquired. No difference really. I was under
the impression it was given a nod. Recently the plug was pulled on
that.
But while it lasted, I was able to access at a moment's need,
songs where I could see your heart m, see you ache for the world's
outcast, see you pound the walls. Songs like Josiah's Prayer and
River Mighty River, Pale Light of Mercy, Undertow, and Lonesome
Melody had a tremendous effect on me, and will probably never make
it to a studio album. Songs that have or may make it to an album
won't deter me from buying it because I have the demo....quite the
opposite. I think fans are born not from albums, but from the
reflective moments in-between, when they make a personal
connection to your songs. From your previous releases and from
frequent listeners of MMM are born the cream of the crop fans,
being affected and effectively doing whatever it takes to promote
your music to a larger audience.
I hope MMM continues.
Terri
ps. That said, I think today's musician is the contemporary
starving artist, a victim of technology that gives and takes in
equal proportion.
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south
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November 14, 2007 07:07 PM
I may have "hot"
songs. i have "Tired' and I have no idea where it came from,
I assume it was a Myspace song. NOW, I don't much care for the
Monday Morning Songs. Lemee explain...I personally love that
stuff, stuff no one knew existed or might have heard about but not
everyone heard. BUT, if I was to try and turn someone on to
McDermottI would say go to his myspace site and check it out. BUT,
if that was the way it oughtta be then the 4 Myspace songs oughtta
really "sell" the shit out of Michael McDermott, which
if there is an obscure basement recording with questionable
quality the person might say it sounds amateurish or just not that
great. Those songs are great for us superfans, but there are times
when I would never send someone to the Myspace site lest they
think the songs really represent the Michael that is a musical
genius.
So, after all that...I think the 4 songs on there should represent
MM's BEST work, stuff that can be purchased by new people, stuff
that people will listen to and know is great.
Which leads to a whole new question of what the 4 BEST songs to
bring in a new fan would be.
I say forget the Monday Madness, we were wrong, we abused it and
we lose it now, do up the Myspace site to represent MM in the
absolute best light to new fans. I would certainly find this
interesting because the 4 songs would have to be the 4 songs
Michael himself feels would best represent.
i love Michael McDermott and his music and don't feel real good
about this now. i will certainly pony up for the bar tab in
Pittsburgh and make a run for a few packs of marlboro's if he's
smoking.
Southy
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TroyD
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November 14, 2007 08:08 PM
Michael knows I feel this way
so I'll just make it public. I had been pushing for something like
MMM for years. For one reason and one reason only ... it keeps the
die hard fans involved in-between major releases and tours. It's
the same thinking behind the Paradise Lane series that would've
gone on forever as far as I was concerned if not for one of the
rotating cast of managers having a hissy fit about it.
Look, it's no secret that Michael is not only a prodigious
songwriter but also a prolific one so sure the fan in me always
wanted to hear all the lost songs and for every fan to have that
same opportunity. Yet, that was not ever my real motivation. The
goal was always just keep the buzz going and to get more people
exposed to the music through word of mouth. From a business stand
point it's a tried and true model and one that most artists
embraced long ago. Pearl Jam and The Grateful Dead would be the
cadillac models but they are just the tip of the iceberg. Hell,
even Bruce (who used to be in court every other year it seemed
with bootleggers) freely raves on stage about his station on
Sirius that plays live recordings and outtakes 24/7.
Quite simply, I think you'd have better luck finding a needle in a
haystack than you would finding a fan who would go to the trouble
to acquire a home demo on some artists site and then not later
purchase anything that same artist puts out. I used to be a pretty
avid collector of bootlegs and still pick up the occassional
"unoffical" release through various means. However, I
don't think I have a single bootleg (live recording, outtake
collection, etc.) by a single artist whose entire catalog I don't
own.
I'll throw out there again a suggestion (stolen from Todd Rundgren,
I think) I made a long time ago. Why not set up a club of sorts
that would charge an annual or monthly fee for access to this
stuff? In turn, club members would get a password that allowed
them to download the songs that Michael felt ok about putting out
there. Sure some folks would still find a way to circumvent the
system but probably a smaller number than those that would burn
and share an official release.
Whatever keeps everybody talking ..
Troy
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Lonesomelody
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November 14, 2007 08:54 PM
lots of interesting comments
and ideas....
quote:
Songs that have or may make
it to an album won't deter me from buying it because I have the
demo....quite the opposite. I think fans are born not from
albums, but from the reflective moments in-between, when they
make a personal connection to your songs.
terri you always have a way
with words. i agree. personal connection. that's what michael's
music is to me, and if i were a betting woman, i think all of us.
quote:
I thought this was an
interesting concept...give your fans something "new"
for free...and when your new CD hits the streets they'll likely
buy that too. And since your fans know other people who might
not have heard of the artist...this is a way to get the
uninitiated interested (with a free CD) by enlisting your fan's
help.
this is a good idea. will hoge
is another artist that "encourages" fans to download,
copy, and share his music. he also encourages fan taping at the
live shows (within reason--you can't hook up to the sound board).
quote:
So, after all that...I think
the 4 songs on there should represent MM's BEST work, stuff that
can be purchased by new people, stuff that people will listen to
and know is great.
south i agree with you too.
with alot of bands/artists myspace is the "consumer's"
first introduction to the artist. i will read about a band or hear
a song during a tv show and go to myspace to following up and
check them out. what we all love may not be the best introduction
to michael. southy you may be out in left field but the cider
hasn't totally fried your brain ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
quote:
Like Terri, I hope MMM
continues. The people that go to your page and take the time to
listen to your songs (download them if able) are the ones that
are going to be your biggest fans - and they will go out and get
the record - and attend the shows and do whatever it takes to
make sure you put out another record and come to their town to
play another show.
donna, i too would hate to see
MMM end. and again i agree, to most of us having access to demos,
and unreleased songs won't prevent us from buying cds when they
come out.
quote:
Why not set up a club of
sorts that would charge an annual or monthly fee for access to
this stuff? In turn, club members would get a password that
allowed them to download the songs that Michael felt ok about
putting out there. Sure some folks would still find a way to
circumvent the system but probably a smaller number than those
that would burn and share an official release.
remember we did this for one
or two (maybe three) years when we had the old website. raise your
hand if you remember! i forget how much we paid, but it allowed us
a years worth of songs, one a month. the only problem i remember
was sometimes it was the middle of the month before we had access
to that month's song. also at the end of the year we got a cd with
the songs on them. this is where my soul's unfettered comes
from.
michael, you can't blame us for loving your music, and wanting to
love it more than on mondays ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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pax,
maryintexas
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papa talk to me..........
michael mcdermott
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November 14, 2007 08:57 PM
Everyone knows unauthorized
downloading has long since become a hot button topic of the
recording industry. And, while we all know as well that the bottom
line of the argument is a matter of lost revenue, I think there
are different losses – and gains – to be felt by different
parties in (and outside of) that industry itself.
That said, as it applies to Michael’s work, I think it’s been
well established no one on this board nor any other die hard fan
has been or will ever be deterred from buying an official release
regardless how many of its songs are already familiar from live
shows, may have been debuted on Monday Morning Madness, etc.
What’s more, with only 12 or 13 songs being officially released
on a new disc every 3 or 4 years, it’s likewise been well
established the vast majority of the Monday Morning Madness songs
will never be presented in a revenue-generating form, nor would we
die hards ever have the chance of hearing and appreciating them
were it not for this truly magical bit of weekly “insanity”.
Back to the point of the downloading topic having been shoved down
our collective throats as a wholly negative practice in regard to
its effect on the artist –- which it surely can be -- I would
like to urge Michael to consider precisely what it means in terms
of effects on him . Since it’s already been made clear
these are largely non-revenue generating tracks to begin with, the
immediate (or in most cases even eventual) loss of actual money
are negligible at best. By “giving them away”, by contrast,
they can indeed appear on every diehard’s ipod, and from there
most likely make their way to the ipods of various diehards’
friends, potentially create new fans, etc. They can also be used
by Dave in England as noted by him to promote Michael’s (shows
and officially released) music there, by Marty to do the same in
Ireland, and the rest of us to do so here. And, of course, they
give all of us who just plain can’t get enough of Michael’s
work a pretty fantastic reward for our enthusiasm and loyalty.
What might be even more important for Michael to consider,
however, is the potential loss generated by NOT sharing these
songs – and indeed, by extension, so jealously guarding their
distribution. From a wholly mercenary viewpoint, this course seems
unwise to me. After all, the more variety of an artist’s work is
available to a listener, the less likely that listener is to get
bored, if you will – not that any of us are about to tire of
Michael’s music, but let’s face it, you can only listen to
your very favorite album on the planet so many times in a row. If
there are a few hundred McD songs on a fan’s ipod, however,
instead of a few dozen from official releases, the more likely
anyone is to keep listening to this one artist rather than feeling
a need to switch around. With that in mind, why would one not
merely invite, but INSIST fans fill even a few albums worth of
space on their ipods with the work of “competitors” (which
again from a wholly business perspective) other artists are. And,
as Steph noted, with the bombardment of stimuli hitting each of us
at a dizzying rate and most so soon forgotten, it seems in the
best interest of an artist to stay in front of his audience as
constantly as possible, and do whatever it takes to achieve that
goal. After all, somebody may just fill the space Monday Morning
Madness songs might occupy on their ipod with a different artist
who they end up searching out more albums from, whose shows they
start attending and who therefore may well cut into an individual
music budget that might have otherwise been spent in much greater
measure on McD.
Look at Microsoft if you think that idea seems outrageous. Yeah,
they’re selling programs that each indeed generate revenue, not
giving them away (and are pretty fanatical about anti-piracy
protection to boot). But, they have scrambled more and more over
time to become monopolistic in terms of what they offer – and
indeed try to make essential – to users of their operating
system. In fact, they proceed with something approaching rabid
desperation to fill needs once entirely the domain of Mac and to
keep users heading further and faster down a blinder-clad tunnel
of “services” provided, so that users never need to so much as
think the words “Adobe”, “Mac”, etc. The point is, keep
the user focused on YOUR product, the less they’ll see other
choices.
The less they’ll HEAR them also, if they have so much McD music
to listen to.
Lastly, though this may not be a major consideration to many
reading this, and there are certainly different schools of thought
on the matter, I’ve mentioned many times that I see art as a
spiritual endeavor. It’s the (couldn’t create a thing if their
lives depended on it) business people who see profit in the gift
of artists by selling it (and who sell to the artist themselves
the lie that money should be attached to their works, and feed
their egos with regard to how much they deserve from their
creations) who turn it instead into an economic one. I further
think the overwhelmingly positive reactions to, and stories shared
regarding the depth of feeling associated with the song “I Shall
Be Healed” back up this assertion. If one looks at it as the
artist truly is “gifted” (by God) then it naturally follows
“gifts are for giving”. We as artists (musicians, writers,
whatever) have a certain social responsibility to fully surrender
to that mentality. When we become focused on what we’re
individually losing by sharing these gifts instead of what others
might gain from them, frankly, it’s my firm conviction we’ve
already lost something far greater than money.
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Von
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November 15, 2007 12:14 PM
When first Michael posted his
question about the Monday songs, I thought I'd wait a bit to read
what type of comments transpired. First, I wasn't sure if Michael
was surprised, shocked, or angered by learning that the songs were
being downloaded and then shared (although certainly not for
anyone's profit). Anyone who's received these shared tunes always
thought it had Michael's okay.
Truthfully, it's an obsession for us to have anything and
everything that's Michael Mc Dermott (yes, in varying degrees) The
foremost desired item would be each and every bit of music, live,
demo, studio. If it's shared freely, great; I believe though that
most of us would pay for anything and everything.
Again truthfully, since I was getting this new music free, I
always wondered WHY? Why wasn't he getting a few bucks from it? I
have considered that I should send him a check for the music which
admittedly, I never did. And, I've wondered, since there's a spot
for purchsing tunes on his MS page, why weren't those songs put
there? Post a new song, put it up for sale, and blog to report it
(so no one misses the chance to buy it).
Von
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i am a collector. and i will always buy whatever michael offers
for sale.
![[Smile]](smile.gif){kind=small}
~~~ But Shakespeare Would Have more than makes up for it.
